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    ATL – January 2012

    By Ol' Blue, USA TMJanuary 3, 2012Updated:January 3, 20122 Comments5 Mins Read
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    Questions About Logging Lunch Breaks, Length Laws in CA & More
    Answered by Law Enforcement Officials (as of January 2012)

    Warning: Laws are subject to change without notice.

    These interpretations were made on December 14, 2011.

    Brought to you as a public service by Ol’ Blue, USA and 10-4.

    Submit your questions to www.askthelaw.org

    LOGGING LUNCH & REST BREAKS

    Q: My manager and I recently had a discussion about how to properly fill out my logbook.  I get a half-hour lunch and two 15-minute breaks each day.  How should I log these breaks – as “off duty” or “on duty not driving”?  Our meal period is considered unpaid and the breaks are compensated time.  My manager said I am to log these breaks as “on duty not driving” because that is our corporate policy.  Which way is correct, or are both ways allowed?  Thank you – Robert in Arizona

    A: Provided by Sgt. Pete Camm (Ret.), California Highway Patrol, Sacramento, CA: Allowing a driver to record a break as “off-duty” is allowed under interpretations provided for 49 CFR 395.2.  However, for this to be a proper logbook entry the motor carrier must relieve the driver of all responsibilities, including the vehicle and its freight, otherwise the driver is still considered to be “on duty not driving”.  A motor carrier is not “required” to allow its drivers to record meal stops as “off duty”.  You may want to contact someone in your safety department to verify your company’s specific corporate policies regarding this issue as both ways are legal, but your motor carrier has the final say as to how they want it done.

    KING PIN TO REAR AXLE LAW IN CA

    Q: What are the length regulations in California for 53’ spread-axle trailers?  Is there a bridge law difference with a spread-axle trailer?  If so, how far can the rear axle be from the king pin and still be legal?  Thanks – Ken in California

    A: Provided by Officer Jaime Nunez, California Highway Patrol, Commercial Vehicle Section, Sacramento, CA: In California, the King Pin to Rear Axle (KPRA) setting on 53-foot trailers that are equipped with spread axles is 40 feet.  California Vehicle Code Section 35401.5(a)(1) describes the proper KPRA setting for 53-foot trailers.  For trailers equipped with one axle, the KPRA distance is 38 feet or less.  For trailers equipped with two axles, the KPRA distance is 40 feet or less.  This distance is determined by measuring from the king pin to the center of the trailer’s rear axle.  There is no difference between a trailer equipped with spread-axles and one without.  The KPRA setting is determined in the same manner for both trailers.

    LOGGING OFF DUTY WHEN IN SLEEPER

    Q: When I take my 10-hour break, I log it as “off duty” even though I spent most of my time in the sleeper.  I was told this is a gray area.  Should I log this time as “off duty” or not?  Thanks – Bill Wisconsin

    A: Provided by Jim Brokaw, formerly a Staff Sergeant, Nebraska State Patrol, Carrier Enforcement Division, Lincoln, NE:

    The references to sleeper berth time are found in 49 CFR 395.1(g) and the specific exclusion of “time spent resting in a sleeper berth” from the definition of “on duty time” found in 49 CFR 395.2 infer sleeper berth time is equivalent to off duty time.  The following guidance question to 49 CFR 395.1 – “Scope of rules in this part” makes it quite clear there isn’t any gray area as far as FMCSA is concerned.  Any time spent in the sleeper berth is to be recorded as “sleeper berth time”.  Question 26: May a driver record sleeper berth time as off-duty time on line one of the record of duty status?  Guidance: No.  The driver’s record of duty status must accurately reflect the driver’s activities.

    CSA SCORING ON LOGBOOK VIOLATIONS

    Q: When reading the CSA results for various carriers, I often see a “395.8 Log Violation (general/form and manner).”  Is this violation for missing items on a log sheet as listed under FMCSA 395.8(d)?  Thank you – Arthur in Winnipeg, Canada

    A: Provided by Senior Trooper Monty Dial (Ret.), Texas Highway Patrol, Commercial Vehicle Enforcement Division, Garland, TX: Yes, Part 395.8(d) lists the 11 items that must be included on the log sheet.  If any of those items are missing, then a violation is noted on the inspection form for Log Violation (general/form and manner)

    ~ The Ask The Law™ programs are an ongoing educational effort between Ol’ Blue, USA™ and commercial law enforcement agencies. Ol’ Blue, USA is a non-profit organization dedicated to highway safety education and to improving relations between the motoring public, law enforcement and commercial drivers. “Ask The Law” is a registered trademark of Ol’ Blue, USA. This column is copyrighted© by Ol’ Blue, USA. Warning: Laws are subject to change without notice. These interpretations were made on December 14, 2011.

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    Ol’ Blue, USATM is a non-profit organization dedicated to highway safety education and to improving relations between the motoring public, law enforcement and commercial drivers. The Ask The LawTM programs are an ongoing educational effort between Ol’ Blue, USA and commercial law enforcement agencies. “Ask The Law” is a registered trademark of Ol’ Blue, USA. This column is copyrighted by Ol’ Blue, USA.

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    2 Comments

    1. Evan on December 4, 2012 2:57 pm

      I need to know the 41′ to center point law as it pertains to a spread axle in Florida. I have a 10’2″ spread on a 53′ trailer … thank you

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      • Daniel on December 4, 2012 9:28 pm

        Evan…

        You cannot submit questions to be answered here. You must go to http://www.askthelaw.org and click on the big red button to submit an official question to the “Ask The Law” folks. This is the only way they can assure it gets to the right people for an answer. Thanks!!

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